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#1 2008-11-26 17:04:15

TX-Slig
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Infos about records...

This post is used to indicate changes about records, so players will have a chance to understand why perhaps their record has disapeared, or why it is not stored...

* A record with only one cp on a map which is known to have more should not be stored any more (i hope ^^).
* A record with unconsistent cp times will not be stored any more (ie: 1st cp should be >0, any cp should have a time > of previous, last cp should be same as the record time).
* A cleanup script has been used on 2008-11-26 evening/night which removed all records which does not follow those rules.

Notes:
- logically the servers scripts should make those sanity checks before sending, then give to the player the info directly (so he knows what happened), and not send it to dedimania !
Sadly i have not way actually to be absolutely sure about the number of cp of a map, so refusing records with different number of cp than the stored one would make many problems  sad
- servers scripts should be able to know the real number of cp and make sanity checks on it. They should also take a validation replay at least for the best player time, then use it to verify that it is really the good times/cp/map before sending to dedimania : it would really avoid all unwanted wrong records.
I hope that all scripts will do it within few months...


* A cleanup script is run weekly, mainly to avoid having many unusefull entries in the database, which :
- rebuild indexes
- remove all records below 6s (except on nadeo's maps)
- remove maps/records of maps not played for 2 year.
- remove maps/records of maps not played for 1 year and with less than 12 records.
- remove maps/records of maps not played for 90 days and with less than 8 records.
- remove maps/records of maps not played for 60 days and with less than 6 records.
- remove maps/records of maps not played for 30 days and with less than 4 records.
- remove maps/records of maps not played for 15 days and with less than 2 records.
- remove maps without records added more than 8 days ago.
- remove players without records not connected on a dedimania server for more than 8 days.

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#2 2008-12-06 17:26:00

???.Kit Cut
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Re: Infos about records...

Hi, Dedimania team. I got an idea how to avoid new faked records. The Dedimania system should connect to TMX when a new record has been driven and then compare the TMX rec with the new time. If the new rec is much faster then the TMX rec, the time will get ignored. I don't know whether it's possible to run this idea or wether its's useful but this faked records really suck! So i thought about a solution.

Greetz Kit-Cut smile

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#3 2008-12-06 17:54:26

Wursti
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Re: Infos about records...

hi dedimania team, i have a problem. dedimania saved no records on my new map http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … ;id=657750
only one rec from my another account is saved....dont know where is the problem....all other tracks works hmm


here can u see:
http://www.dedimania.com/tmstats/?do=st … ;Show=MAPS

4 players, but 1 records hmm

Last edited by мुғ»кैהם (2008-12-06 18:10:36)

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#4 2008-12-07 00:44:34

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Re: Infos about records...

You should look in your script log, and eventually increase the log level if it is possible.
Anyway i see more records than you say : http://www.dedimania.com/tmstats/?do=st … ow=RECORDS

Btw i don't know who made the script  wooty4-v1.00, nor what kind of script it is. The author(s) never contacted me !   sad

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#5 2008-12-07 02:09:46

Wursti
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Re: Infos about records...

The new Records added from the new TMX Server...There works Dedimania, but of my Server no. I have xAseco 1.04 and all other Tracks works. Only this one not hmm I look in the Script, but i have no Plan *g*

thx 2 you

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#6 2009-02-14 15:33:27

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Re: Infos about records...

Hello slig - (by the the way your site has a load of mysql errors when I logged in but on the forum its ok)  anyway about my records problem that I mentioned in the TM-Forum, 1 main track that I'm annoyed about records disappearing from is the track I made for tmf, now my server isn't always up, so from looking at the way you manage your records I can see why the records will get deleted, but to me thats unfair.  The track is XXX-Ant FOREVER and the UID is tQutIliRiYRJmdXKA24gNcBeXQ4 can you look into that please ??

Last edited by XXX-Ant (2009-02-14 15:35:01)

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#7 2009-02-14 22:20:54

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Re: Infos about records...

I won't test for each week, but looking in the database backup of jan 11 2009 there were only 2 records on that map :
(394464,'tQutIliRiYRJmdXKA24gNcBeXQ4','XXX-Ant FOREVER','XXX-Ant FOREVER','xxx_ant','Stadium',5,0,4,5,0,0,'2009-01-02 23:10:20',-1)

(9356111,394464,2715762,1,92540,'17110,40700,65470,77130,92540',5,2128,5514,'2009-01-02 23:10:20',2,-1)
(9324347,394464,1679435,1,91790,'17370,41610,64340,76530,91790',5,2128,5514,'2009-01-02 23:10:20',1,-1)

The goal of Dedimania is to store global/world records, not local records played by only few players after several weeks. For such feature local records are definitively the way to go, or eventually client side stored records (which does not exist actually)

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#8 2009-02-17 04:59:12

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Re: Infos about records...

Yeah, but how can they become world records if a record is there then cleared and someone else gets a record and then its cleared and so on ??

And I think there were only 2 records cos recs on it before were also wiped !!

Last edited by XXX-Ant (2009-02-17 05:00:16)

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#9 2009-02-18 17:42:22

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Re: Infos about records...

XXX-Ant wrote:

Yeah, but how can they become world records if a record is there then cleared and someone else gets a record and then its cleared and so on ??

And I think there were only 2 records cos recs on it before were also wiped !!

Send me 40€/month every month to rent a better server to host it and i will keep all.

No, seriously, a record can be a real world record when many more than 30 players have drove it within few days or weeks, else it's just a kind of local record on a global database...

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#10 2009-02-19 04:21:38

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Re: Infos about records...

TX-Slig wrote:

Send me 40€/month every month to rent a better server to host it and i will keep all.

No, seriously, a record can be a real world record when many more than 30 players have drove it within few days or weeks, else it's just a kind of local record on a global database...

fair enough about the server costs - I suppose i'll have to live with it, but if I see a record worse than 1 min and 31 secs suddenly appear i'll know that that really isn't the real world record on that track. wink

Last edited by XXX-Ant (2009-02-22 00:12:26)

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#11 2009-02-19 18:20:37

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Re: Infos about records...

Personnally i find that the remove conditions are nice : less that 10 records within few days is more a test map than a really played map. Put your map on a plublic server and ask your team or friends to test it and you will quickly have far enough records to not have them deleted.
As i said, if it is for private use then local records are the way to go. And if the map is public and is played then there is no removed records problem.

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#12 2010-02-03 20:22:06

always
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Re: Infos about records...

Hi all,
my record on StarstadiumA2 is deleted. I did 15.72 and had Dedi 2.
I could not upload it on TMX and now my time is deleted.
can i submit my replay here to get my dedi back?
thx for answer

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#13 2010-02-03 21:27:34

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Re: Infos about records...

It seems that there are 2 version of the map (with different Uids), your record is still here, but in one of them...
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS

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#14 2010-02-09 10:28:08

[iGr] ??????? <??
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Re: Infos about records...

Please help me slig sad you are the main guy of dedi's... why are my times being deleted? on valid tracks? more then half of my dedi records have dissapeared.. I work so hard to break records they where stored.. but are getting deleted one for one.. im no cheater.. you can download all my replays on tmx.. but my times where all on dedi.. most 1st, 2nd or 3rd and now they are dissapearing.. please help... my tmu login is damon101. i cant be blacklisted.. cause i dont cheat.. and if there are cheated times please let me know.. for a old clan has my password  and account and they angry that i dont want to join them.. but all my times are on tmx.. my replays.. please can my dedis come back? please.. my email is damon101@live.co.za sad

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#15 2010-02-09 12:14:27

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Re: Infos about records...

[iGr] ๕ค๓σैॄה <З wrote:

my tmu login is damon101.

No problem with your records, there are plenty in the database.

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#16 2010-02-09 17:37:00

[iGr] ??????? <??
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Re: Infos about records...

Xymph wrote:

[iGr] ๕ค๓σैॄה <З wrote:

my tmu login is damon101.

No problem with your records, there are plenty in the database.

do you want tmx id's of my recs that have just gone missing?? i saw i have 1045 but most are gone and happened 3 days ago? her are a few.. that had dedis that are on tmx..  Very Short 49 from  joekripton tmx id i had 1st dedi.. but that was beaten.. now i had 2nd dedi but that is gone.. as is Very Short 115 from  Devides or Uchi tmx id 1372994 as is Very Short 112 from Devides or Uchi tmx id 1372981.. and the list goes on sad why are my dedi times just disappearing sad i had dedi 1 on 2276744 with .59.. now i had to race it again and only got .66 which is dedi 2 sad i work realy hard for these times and now they are just disappearing sad please help me.. regards .. damon

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#17 2010-02-09 20:09:09

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Re: Infos about records...

[iGr] ๕ค๓σैॄה <З wrote:

Xymph wrote:

No problem with your records, there are plenty in the database.

i saw i have 1045 but most are gone

They aren't, you just didn't browse to the following many pages with further sets of 80 records per page, 1082 in total.

[iGr] ๕ค๓σैॄה <З wrote:

and happened 3 days ago?

A few days ago the database got corrupted and a backup was restored. Nothing can be done about that.

Now please stop whining. roll

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#18 2010-02-09 22:48:05

[iGr] ??????? <??
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Re: Infos about records...

Stop whining? hmm

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#19 2010-02-21 08:15:50

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Re: Infos about records...

Greetings,

I have a question about the fields shown in the dedistats pages. If there is already a guide somewhere on what they mean I can't find it.

When looking at the stats like my own servers for e.g.
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=PLAYERS

I'm wondering what the following mean:
* Teamname (and how do you set a teamname for your account?)
* AvOps
* TAR
* TAO
* State

Thanx,
Mort

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#20 2010-02-22 01:08:58

TX-Slig
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Re: Infos about records...

Races : number of races
TAR : number of TimeAttack races
TAO : number of opponents in TA
AvOps : average number of opponents
State = status of player: active=1 + Official=2 + Spec=4 + Team0=16 + Team1=32

Teamname was originally for TMO/TMS : players could register to a team on nadeo site. It disappeared with TMU/TMF, sadly they did not give possiblity to set a main maniagroup which would have been the teamname too.
I kept it thinking to give a way to set it on dedimania, but never done it for real.

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#21 2016-04-27 08:29:12

?????»Lorbi«?
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Re: Infos about records...

yo everyone big_smile i got a little problem, that most of the driven dedimania records have disappeared for any reason.

map: LfM5bOTc2agmywWy_d6Eo0aiUhm
check local and dedimania record list

http://puu.sh/oxl3N/cdcae46d8d.jpg
http://puu.sh/oxl6a/713bc3c57a.jpg

http://puu.sh/oxlnL/b70bf1cf03.jpg
http://puu.sh/oxlnc/2de638b3ce.jpg

possible to get them back on? or why did they actually disappear?

ofc they were mostly driven in roundsmode.
thx in advance.

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#22 2016-04-27 09:34:19

Xymph
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Re: Infos about records...

Don't necro-post in the wrong topic. roll An appropriate topic would have been this, or a new one

lorbiiiii wrote:

i got a little problem, that most of the driven dedimania records have disappeared for any reason.

No, a specific reason.

lorbiiiii wrote:

or why did they actually disappear?

Entries (all TA) considered cheated or suspect:

xoiAofMi_YdrFqQt0gvmZkoLtTf in 8.00s
y0bO8ExIL6GJ00IWhujOFAlqor sector 1 in 13.40
aNCop2MlvQwwdv3RsUfXVstw2u4 sector 3 in 9.95
hdlLG8NxJUu9dsWOwwncuf_4cL sector 1 in 8.77

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#23 2016-04-27 11:23:49

?????»Lorbi«?
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Re: Infos about records...

always using wrong forums... this forum is a bit confusing, sorry for that. (or im just dumb as fuck big_smile)

i meant, those times on this map with this uid i wrote in post before.
yesterday a few new dedi entries were driven (in rounds), today as i took a look, all disappeared.
take a look at my screenshots in my post before.

i really dont know a reason why they did, and there was also actually no xaseco restart during this round, also no cheaters imo.

edit: btw: whats wrong with those sectors/times on those maps?

and if u remember, u already deleted all my records bout half a year ago, so dont remind me on that pls big_smile

Last edited by lorbiiiii (2016-04-27 11:29:33)

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#24 2016-04-27 22:29:43

Xymph
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Re: Infos about records...

lorbiiiii wrote:

always using wrong forums... this forum is a bit confusing, sorry for that.

There's just one relevant forum for records, but the topic matters too. wink

lorbiiiii wrote:

i meant, those times on this map with this uid i wrote in post before.
yesterday a few new dedi entries were driven (in rounds), today as i took a look, all disappeared.
take a look at my screenshots in my post before.

I know nothing about that.

lorbiiiii wrote:

edit: btw: whats wrong with those sectors/times on those maps?

They deviated too much from the average and seemed impossible to me.

Edit: If they were in fact possible, then you (and all players) are strongly advised to upload the pertaining replay to TMX immediately afterwards, so that it's available when I investigate a suspect entry.

lorbiiiii wrote:

and if u remember, u already deleted all my records bout half a year ago, so dont remind me on that pls big_smile

Yes, well, there are no dates/timestamps in your screens and post, so it wasn't clear this was a new situation. I thought you were referring to records deleted at that time, and had forgotten there already was a topic on it in September.

Last edited by xymph (2016-04-28 09:28:44)

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#25 2016-10-01 05:31:55

?????xeqzion.
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Re: Infos about records...

Hiho bois and grils.

I was thinking a little about these auto-deletion 'rules' or whatever they should be called and I'd like to suggest that they could need some change to them.

Mainly my thought is on this one;
"- remove maps/records of maps not played for 2 year."

There's alot of good old maps with alot of pretty crazy dedimania records on them by some more or less 'legendary' players and I don't think it's right that these maps lose all their records if they're not played within a so and so long time period.

If anything maybe change it so that maps that have LESS than 30 dedimania records and not played within 2 years gets all records removed? Kind of like the 1year/12 records and then if the map has 30 dedimania records it simply wont get removed. Encouterd a couple of maps today that from what I understand had some pretty decent and well hunted dedis on them some time back but now they're all gone because of this rule.

Please take it into consideration.
I know there's more people than me within the remaining parts of the TMNF/TMUF community that feel this way about it and feel like it should be changed.

Edit:
I can see how it would be a good way to handle this back when there was alot of players active (enough to have most maps that were nice for hunting and whatnot being hunted on a regular basis) but as it is now its tricky enough to get 30 dedis on most maps with such a relatively small playerbase compared to a couple years ago and being able to maintain these dedis by playing all these maps are next to impossible I would say. Not really sure what to type out here but I imagine you (dedimania hosters/Xymph++)  and others understand what my point here is.

//xeqzion

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#26 2016-10-03 20:46:50

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Re: Infos about records...

I just made a little modification (730 days 20 records ; 1500 days any records number).
=> 30 records should always exist if payed on a public server (ie not only on a team private server), but it may happen that because of a cheater some records are deleted and so some challenges have not any more 30 records.  With 20 that case should not happen anymore.
=> 4 years without playing a map at all  ? well... make new records on it wink

I hope that it won't increase too much the size of the record table (10360841 entries for tmf), else i will reverse the 2nd case to 3 years...

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