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braid65 · 2013-08-21 19:41:31

vrba 15.60 wtf you are a big hacker
i will signal you!

braid65 · 2013-08-21 19:48:03

xymph wrote:
Who are you barking at, me or someone else? If it was me, wrong tree.

not you but the guy who defend the biggest tm cheater and attacks the honest players.

radovan_odjebani · 2013-08-21 20:35:55

Here's your wr replay http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … 02448#auto

enryx13 · 2013-08-22 13:57:04

Lol Xymph here you go with a real report

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD

Dedi1 | tm-master. | CP1 in 6.62, no way

Dedi2 | xd_blue | CP1 in 6.83 which is ~0.10 slower than a normal good time, where did he gain all that time between CP1 and CP2? Cheat imo

Dedi7 | frct99 | CP1 in 6.62

(TMX http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … 50128#auto )

boerta87 · 2013-08-22 14:17:34

enryx13 is right.

login:thikopoli

UID:ZZsNvjRsQikzy2rcXEqbLU8RKC2

no way he can speed up at the end like this. range for last sector is 4.17-4.25 and he got 3.67

his other two first records seems weird too.
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ;Limit=400

EDIT:
just checked the other two first records

UID:Y4ghrrZlshVx578MExGexsltqcf --sector times does not look suspicious
UID:ILmY_HG0S1fuoARIQj46PMWdxw -- for this i do not know. stupid map. no cps. might be poss.

can not tell about the last two but the first one is definetly weird for.

PS: and i thought i am over-using smileys trololololo

Last edited by xymph (2013-08-22 18:54:20)

radovan_odjebani · 2013-08-22 19:02:09

Okay thanks for deleting post... you could at least tell me what's with the recs now.. your opinion. Valid or Not?

xymph · 2013-08-22 19:42:55

enryx13 wrote:
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&Uid=3D75xG7D_kAlqGowREFlrrLFHfb&Show=RECORD

Dedi1 | tm-master. | CP1 in 6.62, no way

Dedi2 | xd_blue | CP1 in 6.83 which is ~0.10 slower than a normal good time, where did he gain all that time between CP1 and CP2? Cheat imo

Dedi7 | frct99 | CP1 in 6.62

(TMX http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … 50128#auto )

Right, and all three repeat offenders on other tracks/days. Banned and recs deleted, thanks.

xymph · 2013-08-22 19:47:12

boerta87 wrote:
login:thikopoli

UID:ZZsNvjRsQikzy2rcXEqbLU8RKC2

Agreed, banned and all deleted, thanks.

radovan_odjebani · 2013-08-23 14:51:47

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1 dedi has a weird time

xymph · 2013-08-23 21:07:33

radovan_odjebani wrote:
8WJF7EdM7jEqmmcWY1mtFH2NHV4

1 dedi has a weird time

Agreed, housekeeping performed, thanks.

enryx13 · 2013-08-26 23:59:14

Hey xymph

this is a bit funny^^

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS
dedi1 by huiskamers

you might notice that his replay is on TMX, but look at it - he gets at least 2 speedboosts out of nowhere!!

And it's not the only one!
http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … 44901#auto
same speedboosts

boerta87 · 2013-08-27 10:11:39

enryx13 wrote:
Hey xymph

this is a bit funny^^

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS
dedi1 by huiskamers

you might notice that his replay is on TMX, but look at it - he gets at least 2 speedboosts out of nowhere!!

And it's not the only one!
http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … 44901#auto
same speedboosts

yeah lol. and he does not even lose speed when he hits the wall. Validated the first one and it says "wrong simulation" anyway, so thats obvious. ill wait with the report for tmx so xymph can see it xD

enryx13 · 2013-08-27 12:25:07

Apparently he has another login: dx_supermaster_
A questionable replay is this one: http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … 12768#auto (where - ironically - he has dedi1 with huiskamers aswell)
Not sure if it's a bug but it looks like he's driving over the edge of the platforms with 2+ wheels and anyway he can keep going.
Also at the end he gets a really weird move.
Feels like he's using some tool to keep stickied to the road

Or am I insane?^^

Last edited by enryx13 (2013-08-27 12:27:46)

boerta87 · 2013-08-27 12:42:52

enryx13 wrote:
Apparently he has another login: dx_supermaster_
A questionable replay is this one: http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … 12768#auto (where - ironically - he has dedi1 with huiskamers aswell)
Not sure if it's a bug but it looks like he's driving over the edge of the platforms with 2+ wheels and anyway he can keep going.
Also at the end he gets a really weird move.
Feels like he's using some tool to keep stickied to the road

Or am I insane?^^

no you are not:D

so now i checked the first replay and this one. if you drive against it you will see that the first one shows "huiskamers" nickname and this one "dx_supermaster_". Using same tmx accoun so most likely same person imo.

and both replays getting "wrong simulation" if you validate them. so he is/they are using some kind of a tool thats for sure.

xymph · 2013-08-27 23:31:12

enryx13 wrote:
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&RecOrder3=RANK-ASC&Uid=81rpEtUg8Jd6SiqqC0rFExO2jAj&Show=RECORDS
dedi1 by huiskamers

you might notice that his replay is on TMX, but look at it - he gets at least 2 speedboosts out of nowhere

I see the one boost at the final jump, but not the other. Where is it?

enryx13 wrote:
And it's not the only one!
http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … 44901#auto
same speedboosts

Don't see boost(s), and none of the other TMX replays use the same cut at the start (stupid track designer, btw) so there's no comparison.

enryx13 wrote:
Apparently he has another login: dx_supermaster_

"apparently"? Based on which indications, exactly?

enryx13 wrote:
A questionable replay is this one: http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … 12768#auto (where - ironically - he has dedi1 with huiskamers aswell)
Not sure if it's a bug but it looks like he's driving over the edge of the platforms with 2+ wheels and anyway he can keep going.

That looks weird indeed.

boerta87 wrote:
Using same tmx accoun[t] so most likely same person imo.

Where do you see that, exactly?

Both of you, always be specific, don't leave me guessing where you see something.

boerta87 wrote:
and both replays getting "wrong simulation" if you validate them. so he is/they are using some kind of a tool thats for sure.

AFAIK "wrong simulation" can also just mean a playable/viewable replay is unsuitable for validation, but after exporting them to Validation replays they do indeed fail validatio -- as do some other replays by TMX fain1 that I tried (but not all).

So here's the deal: I scanned over all #1 recs of both logins, and found a few more suspects, but it doesn't make sense to me how a United player and a Nations player (possibly the same person if you guys can answer my questions above) make a sparse few cheated entries among 800-1000 entries each. And this is already taking way too much of my scarce spare time, so I need your help to find more before I delete them all -- or dismiss the case.

Here are the entries I consider suspect or impossible:

huiskamers:

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD

dx_supermaster_:

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD

Please check these and let me know if you find more. Remember to use the UIdFinder if necessary.

enryx13 · 2013-08-27 23:48:29

1) 2 speedboosts: 1 before last jump and 1 before last slide (right before the transition platform to road)

2) speedboost right before jumping on that black circular block

Tip: notice how the car does a "hop" (the engine goes a little down and then goes back up)

3) TMX acc "fain1" uploads replays from those 2 accounts (you can use GBXDump to check login from .replays) so I'd assume it's his other account
3.1) both accounts Netherlands»Overijssel and kinda similar stats (W/L ratio)

4) idk about wrong simulation I rarely use the 'Validate' function - perhaps Boerta knows more.

I'm checking those times but I'll do more next morning if Boerta doesn't this night (I'm not a night-driver^^)

Last edited by enryx13 (2013-08-28 10:54:49)

enryx13 · 2013-08-28 11:44:40

huiskamers:
1) not on tmx
2) no idea
3) Typical "get-as-close-as-possible-to-the-walls" kind of map - no tricks - no cuts - his time gaining on cp4/5/6 is unreal. Kielas' TMX time is really good except he messed up the last blue floor turn. I really doubt about a 1.5sec faster legit time.
4) last sector is far beyond suspicious. Even more because last sector is only airtime, there's nothing to gain in air. Ramptrick/flipping doesn't look possible (Boerta ?!?!^^)

dx_supermaster_:
1) applies what I said on n.3 above - but it _might_ to drive on the fence and avoid reverseboosters. This would be the only way to get such faster sectors.
2) not on tmx
3) oh god these boosters. Hmm. I tried. CP1 in 6.10 with 200/100/200%, 6.11 with 200/150/100/200 (slower because you have to brake little more time at start). Every other combination doesnt make the jump. 200/200/200 is not possible. He gets that cp in 5.10. I see no way.
4) not on tmx
5) yeah nah. I got 7.08. 6.88 you are still ~1 block away from finish.

I uploaded a few replays but there were already anyway^^'

Perhaps Boerta can agree/disagree with me.

boerta87 · 2013-08-28 18:37:56

enryx13 wrote:
huiskamers:
1) not on tmx
2) no idea
3) Typical "get-as-close-as-possible-to-the-walls" kind of map - no tricks - no cuts - his time gaining on cp4/5/6 is unreal. Kielas' TMX time is really good except he messed up the last blue floor turn. I really doubt about a 1.5sec faster legit time.
4) last sector is far beyond suspicious. Even more because last sector is only airtime, there's nothing to gain in air. Ramptrick/flipping doesn't look possible (Boerta ?!?!^^)

huiskamers:
3)well tmx does not look that good compared to TA dedi 1 with 56.41 but i doubt that 55.44 is poss. even if you do some tricks like speedslide. but dunno tho not that much experience in speed maps

4) it looks weird indeed. tried it a few times and it sure is not possible with a normal jump. my run was not good at all, you can push your last sector to a low 1.6x or maybe even 5x with this jump. "maybe" you can do a really lucky flip there but i can not tell if it is possible to gain around .30 off of it

enryx13 wrote:
dx_supermaster_:
1) applies what I said on n.3 above - but it _might_ to drive on the fence and avoid reverseboosters. This would be the only way to get such faster sectors.
2) not on tmx
3) oh god these boosters. Hmm. I tried. CP1 in 6.10 with 200/100/200%, 6.11 with 200/150/100/200 (slower because you have to brake little more time at start). Every other combination doesnt make the jump. 200/200/200 is not possible. He gets that cp in 5.10. I see no way.
4) not on tmx
5) yeah nah. I got 7.08. 6.88 you are still ~1 block away from finish.

I uploaded a few replays but there were already anyway^^'

Perhaps Boerta can agree/disagree with me.

dx_supermaster_:

1) avoiding some antiboosters to gain so much time is the only thing here. agreed:D
3)5.10 definetly not possible. best one was 6.05
5) well personally i would say max is 6.9x but you never know with those bugs :S

Last edited by boerta87 (2013-08-28 19:40:33)

xymph · 2013-08-28 20:21:52

I still have to study your observations (thanks both) but meanwhile, can you find a few more impossible entries among the record histories of huiskamers and dx_supermaster_ that weren't in my lists yet?

enryx13 · 2013-08-28 21:15:19

Last edited by enryx13 (2013-08-28 21:44:24)

xymph · 2013-08-28 22:50:04

Okay, thanks for your comments on my findings, and for the additional suspect entries -- except this duplication:

enryx13 wrote:
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&Mode=M0&RecOrder3=RANK-ASC&Uid=x7VS5xY56_3o_pBFHMQpVrFmmmi&Show=RECORDS oh he got much speed in the final part

Both logins banned/blacklisted - deleting recs will take a while. Sigh.

enryx13 · 2013-08-29 12:41:41

Whoops for the duplication

Tho there are still some odd times by him outside of the top8s you deleted, like
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD

tbh I dont bother searching for more. 90% are multilaps or LoOoLmaps where unless the cps are 1 second faster/slower it's everything possible

xkayakx · 2013-08-29 21:12:59

6aacvP1fkzzx8DXdQBKokr3y2Gl
I know it's not 2 days, but from previous experience on Lunatic Extreme I'll post just so it won't slip again.
top2 dedi has impossible times here.

xymph · 2013-08-29 23:29:24

xkayakx wrote:
6aacvP1fkzzx8DXdQBKokr3y2Gl
I know it's not 2 days, but from previous experience on Lunatic Extreme I'll post just so it won't slip again.
top2 dedi has impossible times here.

Put a Post-It note on your monitor next time.

Both banned and all deleted, thanks.

enryx13 · 2013-08-30 12:55:36

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS

TA dedi30 by tr10p impossible cp times

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD

04pap04 impossible cp1

Last edited by enryx13 (2013-08-30 15:41:10)

xymph · 2013-08-30 18:39:23

enryx13 wrote:
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&Uid=RVEoquUninLI8FqVo_ZCo4lr5X9&Show=RECORDS

TA dedi30 by tr10p impossible cp times

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD

04pap04 impossible cp1

Both one-timers, deleted, thanks.

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