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#79 2012-12-17 14:34:37

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS

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bassari

Impossible cp times. CP1 for comparison to wr is -.3

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#80 2012-12-17 18:39:28

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

metalcoyote wrote:

xymph wrote:

Sorry about that, I'll leave your new entry alone then. Next time you do something seemingly impossible, especially on tracks that aren't on TMX, make the replay available to me directly afterwards, via TMX (preferably) or direct link. Thanks.

Sorry for barging in, but even when a track is on tmx it usually won't allow me to upload my replay if it was driven online. And I have some lucky dedis of my own, that's why I save so many replays and check back here frequently.
I just want to avoid what nearly happened to banditzone and wish there was a way to get notified when your dedi gets deleted...

TMNF and TMU(F) replays can be uploaded, those tracks make up the majority of what's out there on servers.
Notification after record deletion doesn't help if the deletion then turns out to be unjust, as restoring recs is a hassle.
That's why, if players did something legitimate but really unusual on a track that could be considered cheating, they best post a direct link to the relevant replay here if it cannot be uploaded to TMX.

Besides, I'm already spending several hundred hours each year on this process, so if anything I want it to take less time, not more. In 99% of all cases, the cheating is clear anyway. I'm not feeling any consideration or kindness towards cheaters that are costing so much time to deal with already, that I'm even remotely inclined to provide a courtesy heads-up or somesuch.

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#81 2012-12-17 19:35:30

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

I see that you cannot spend even more time on this cheater processing, you are already going beyond the call of duty and do a really good job here. If in any way possible, then this should be an automated notification but I asume that is not possible, since dedimania won't be able to send ingame messages to a players inbox. Thanks to enryx, I learned my lesson today that you can indeed upload online replays to tmx.

But, if I understood that correctly, you want us to actually report our own WRs (as "strange & suspected records") when we can not upload them on tmx? I have never seen anyone doing that here :s
If it helps to reduce missunderstandings I will do that from now on.

For example theres one dedi that I'm afraid to loose, because it looks cheated, and the map is not even on tmx:
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD

and my proof:
http://ultrashare.net/hosting/dl/7b19cd217c (looks strange indeed, but it's a concrete bug slide, like you can do on grass)

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#82 2012-12-17 20:08:07

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

http://dedimania.net/SITE/forum/viewtopic.php?id=291 tongue
I made a topic for that so you don't need to spam this thread.

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#83 2012-12-17 20:13:21

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

tk_v2 wrote:

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&Mode=M1&RecOrder3=RANK-ASC&Uid=iHlbKwEZuFOWr_Hf1QxNA9eIcO3&Show=RECORDS

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Impossible cp times. CP1 for comparison to wr is -.3

Weird indeed, but probably a misplaced batch from another track, which happened quite often in 2008 when those entries were driven. Both deleted, thanks for the report.

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#84 2012-12-17 20:17:52

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

metalcoyote wrote:

But, if I understood that correctly, you want us to actually report our own WRs (as "strange & suspected records") when we can not upload them on tmx? I have never seen anyone doing that here :s
If it helps to reduce missunderstandings I will do that from now on.

That helps indeed, and thanks to sick_castrator for the reminder that there's already a suitable thread for that.

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#85 2012-12-17 22:37:27

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS

Login: kristjan.p
impossible time with those CPs

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#86 2012-12-18 07:56:51

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

tk_v2 wrote:

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&Mode=M1&RecOrder3=RANK-ASC&Uid=IRIOdqhMHBXndxShUSaxP2HFbRg&Show=RECORDS

Login: kristjan.p
impossible time with those CPs

Not only that track but a dozen in total. Banned and all deleted, thanks.

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#87 2012-12-21 03:59:07

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

login: yoboma
cSWMS5QAwuzgezG3EjkK7rZl6bd
impossible time but without cps.
He cheated this track too:
HNpAkoy7kwWctqOR5NDYuNKssTf
dedi 26 with -1 sec on others at the first cp.
but it's only a fullspeed part and uncutable...

Last edited by braid65 (2012-12-21 04:00:39)

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#88 2012-12-21 09:07:39

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

braid65 wrote:

login: yoboma
cSWMS5QAwuzgezG3EjkK7rZl6bd
impossible time but without cps.
He cheated this track too:
HNpAkoy7kwWctqOR5NDYuNKssTf

You forgot to read the reporting rules, especially #1. wink

He was already on my radar, banned and all deleted now.

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#89 2012-12-21 13:15:36

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

login: kronkorken2

Maps: EuzQNn7aUd3nUuZGjJSFZVMhQS5 ; XhXS5XTOs8EGK2ZmaswTTg1aZKe ; zH7K7lsFTGt29bOHfYWqx6W4C0n;

Impossible times and sectors.

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#90 2012-12-21 23:48:39

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

shadowdash wrote:

login: kronkorken2

Maps: EuzQNn7aUd3nUuZGjJSFZVMhQS5 ; XhXS5XTOs8EGK2ZmaswTTg1aZKe ; zH7K7lsFTGt29bOHfYWqx6W4C0n;

Impossible times and sectors.

And a bunch more tracks. Banned and all deleted, thanks.

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#91 2012-12-22 14:34:33

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

On the map name: very short 64 author: joekripton uid:awYrebasWYDmvqOFICp58C1lzp5

Top 3 here are suspected cheaters 2 of them has only 1/2 dedi records and the other 1 I can't proove since there are no cps in the map.
Logins:
Dedi 1: red_bull-naousa
Dedi 2:wazonek
Dedi 3:casan0va


The tmx replay is 11.15 which is cutted very perfectly(almost) so I have no convidence in believing that 9.98,10,21 or 10,91 is a non-cheated replay.

Last edited by e-thug (2012-12-22 14:40:47)

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#92 2012-12-22 16:59:14

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Hi, i would like to signal you a cheater... For me .ист«Luke (login:corsakoff_live) is a cheater who recreated an account.
Before this account, he was "Boss", who has been banned, and just after, arrived .ист«Luke, who has almost the same times...
He's playing only maps without cps, on a private server, from the 3 september 2012.
He plays since 4 months and did 524 dedis, with 183 dedis 1...
I think that when he's doing time too good, he's crashing his server, until having a time which is not suspect...
I talk you about that, because he put the tag of our team, and it's bad for our reputation...
Can you do something, like banning him, or saving his replays, to prove that it's really a cheater ?

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#93 2012-12-22 18:34:31

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

e-thug wrote:

On the map name: very short 64 author: joekripton uid:awYrebasWYDmvqOFICp58C1lzp5

Top 3 here are suspected cheaters 2 of them has only 1/2 dedi records and the other 1 I can't proove since there are no cps in the map.
Logins:
Dedi 1: red_bull-naousa
Dedi 2:wazonek
Dedi 3:casan0va

The tmx replay is 11.15 which is cutted very perfectly(almost) so I have no convidence in believing that 9.98,10,21 or 10,91 is a non-cheated replay.

Agreed, all cleaned up. Thanks for the report.

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#94 2012-12-22 19:21:31

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

braid65 wrote:

Hi, i would like to signal you a cheater... For me .ист«Luke (login:corsakoff_live) is a cheater who recreated an account.
Before this account, he was "Boss", who has been banned, and just after, arrived .ист«Luke, who has almost the same times...
He's playing only maps without cps, on a private server, from the 3 september 2012.
He plays since 4 months and did 524 dedis, with 183 dedis 1...
I think that when he's doing time too good, he's crashing his server, until having a time which is not suspect...
I talk you about that, because he put the tag of our team, and it's bad for our reputation...
Can you do something, like banning him, or saving his replays, to prove that it's really a cheater ?

His nick is now "MvP«Nero." so that's no longer your problem. I'll monitor the login but there's not much I can (or am willing) to do for now.

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#95 2012-12-23 13:49:54

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

login:     marty1997
map: BWZR3drN_B1Vfdmm6x99shk7Yjb; gT7OCyhDyaqr2spVOupiWMpNNU

impossible times & sectors.

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#96 2012-12-23 16:58:49

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

There's an impossible time on one of my maps. Could you pls delete it?
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS

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#97 2012-12-23 18:33:36

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

shadowdash wrote:

login:     marty1997
map: BWZR3drN_B1Vfdmm6x99shk7Yjb; gT7OCyhDyaqr2spVOupiWMpNNU

impossible times & sectors.

And also on three more tracks that same day. Banned and all recs deleted, thanks,

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#98 2012-12-23 21:39:28

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

_trice_bird wrote:

There's an impossible time on one of my maps. Could you pls delete it?
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS

No, you cannot simply request deletion, you can only report and I will investigate.

Which I did with this login, and found many subtly and some obviously cheated entries among his records from the past two months. Housekeeping performed, thanks.

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#99 2012-12-23 22:27:53

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

On the map name: Very short 77 author: joekripton uid: 8El0iDurrOlNLteYF4WU2qXh3l

Top 2 here are impossible times, I say impossible because if I look to there dedis it seems that they are not cheaters maybe some bug, however there is a cut on the map but that brings you not under the 12 seconds. There is a replay of 12.40 at the map at tmx. Link: http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … 00637#auto


Hmm my m8 did now 12.03 with the cut I just reported anyway for investigation cus its pretty rare/coincidence that they both have 11.94 on a hard cut map..

Last edited by e-thug (2012-12-23 22:53:28)

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#100 2012-12-24 13:08:59

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

e-thug wrote:

On the map name: Very short 77 author: joekripton uid: 8El0iDurrOlNLteYF4WU2qXh3l

Leave out the author in future reports please, it's not needed and distracts.

e-thug wrote:

Top 2 here are impossible times, I say impossible because if I look to there dedis it seems that they are not cheaters maybe some bug, however there is a cut on the map but that brings you not under the 12 seconds. There is a replay of 12.40 at the map at tmx. Link: http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … 00637#auto

TMX is down now, so I can't check that replay. I watched an older, non-cutting 13.60 replay though. Seems like a design error (as usual) to leave open that option to cut.

e-thug wrote:

Hmm my m8 did now 12.03 with the cut I just reported anyway for investigation cus its pretty rare/coincidence that they both have 11.94 on a hard cut map..

The sector patterns for them are different, and with a cut all bets are off anyway.

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#101 2012-12-29 00:38:57

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

UID: iI_XrXvXY5ukhzq4w5KROdr48k8

Top1 ta by lolextreme

looks cheated

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#102 2012-12-29 09:55:09

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

enryx13 wrote:

UID: iI_XrXvXY5ukhzq4w5KROdr48k8

Top1 ta by lolextreme

looks cheated

Agreed, deleted, thanks.

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#103 2012-12-31 00:07:39

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS
Login: powerbenny
Time impossible, but didnt find any other suspicious recorsd at the first view...so maybe glitch.

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#104 2012-12-31 10:59:24

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

sick_castrator wrote:

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&RecOrder3=RANK-ASC&Uid=peq4zpZ9MZgalD3MbEN27GgG1a2&Show=RECORDS
Login: powerbenny
Time impossible, but didnt find any other suspicious recorsd at the first view...so maybe glitch.

The track's author neglected to put it on TMX, and none of the servers where the Dedi top-30 were driven are still online, so I can't check that. Which server login still carries it?

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