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#27 2013-07-22 11:40:45

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

xymph wrote:

And dedifan does have a point regarding facts -- I still would like to read your explanation for getting ahead on the PF section of this track. Please enlighten us.

This could be explained by the "faster start" you can get on this particular start block. I used to do the same thing on C03, and I think the start blocks on these two tracks are the same. What you would do is press accelerate just as the "Go!" appears. If timed correctly, you'd get a slightly faster start.

I just tried doing it again on C03 and it still works. I couldn't really test it against BalKouK's GR as it has a delayed start. By the way, why do GR's have a delayed start?

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#28 2013-07-22 13:37:52

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

jeromecortez wrote:

This could be explained by the "faster start" you can get on this particular start block. I used to do the same thing on C03, and I think the start blocks on these two tracks are the same. What you would do is press accelerate just as the "Go!" appears. If timed correctly, you'd get a slightly faster start.

I just tried doing it again on C03 and it still works. I couldn't really test it against BalKouK's GR as it has a delayed start.

Thanks for the explanation.

jeromecortez wrote:

By the way, why do GR's have a delayed start?

Don't know.

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#29 2013-07-23 07:56:06

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

jeromecortez wrote:

This could be explained by the "faster start" you can get on this particular start block. I used to do the same thing on C03, and I think the start blocks on these two tracks are the same. What you would do is press accelerate just as the "Go!" appears. If timed correctly, you'd get a slightly faster start.

I just tried doing it again on C03 and it still works. I couldn't really test it against BalKouK's GR as it has a delayed start. By the way, why do GR's have a delayed start?

Yeah, but even that trick dont get you as fast as Balkouk. Besides this, applying the trick do not result in a false Validation Replay. You can test it, save your own replay and validate it, there will be no issue.

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#30 2013-08-11 13:05:09

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

Since the previous report, one new login earned a Dedimania2 ban and global blacklist entry: trollyou

A final warning goes out to: almskov

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#31 2013-08-14 16:07:23

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

Speedhack on M8klT5GA5lZHaPM49BEdfJa5Z36 by hurzli5

Btw it's the first time I report a cheater so I don't know if this is the right place :s

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#32 2013-08-14 20:11:03

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

tm2:darky0399 wrote:

Speedhack on M8klT5GA5lZHaPM49BEdfJa5Z36 by hurzli5

And several more. Banned and all deleted, thanks.

tm2:darky0399 wrote:

Btw it's the first time I report a cheater so I don't know if this is the right place

You found it.

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#33 2013-08-30 07:35:49

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

Found impossible dedi1 on this map by kiax2, and im 100% sure in cheating after downloading his other replays

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#34 2013-08-30 19:29:31

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

tm2:railag wrote:

Found impossible dedi1 on this map by kiax2, and im 100% sure in cheating after downloading his other replays

Agreed, banned and all deleted, thanks.

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#35 2013-08-31 14:05:43

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

I've just read this topic and found the name of nfsps19.

Perhaps is it nothing but I'd like to check as well if he didn't do it again.

Could you please, check the records on the login "nfsps19."? As far as I'm concern, I don't wanna be involved in some kind of cheat.

Thank you and sorry if nothing's wrong.

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#36 2013-08-31 18:22:49

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

tm2:erylis wrote:

I've just read this topic and found the name of nfsps19.

Perhaps is it nothing but I'd like to check as well if he didn't do it again.

Could you please, check the records on the login "nfsps19."? As far as I'm concern, I don't wanna be involved in some kind of cheat.

"involved in some kind of cheat"?  That makes no sense. What do you have to do with either nfsps19 or nfsps19. ?

And if you have something to report, be specific. I am not going to waste time on some vague hunt.

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#37 2013-09-07 14:42:02

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

Speedhack on JXqDEyv8JMjgUsWNetNgOM0t2Eh and NEhKyjdPNED8vwPhLvow8nFQHr0 and I believe many others by org4smo

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#38 2013-09-07 22:14:59

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

tm2:darky0399 wrote:

Speedhack on JXqDEyv8JMjgUsWNetNgOM0t2Eh and NEhKyjdPNED8vwPhLvow8nFQHr0 and I believe many others by org4smo

All 67 validation replays by that login were invalid indeed. Banned and all deleted, thanks.

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#39 2013-09-08 10:42:33

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

In the four weeks since the previous round-up, the following MP logins were banned/blacklisted from Dedimania2:

hurzli5, kiax2, org4smo

No one/two-timers were detected.

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#40 2013-09-19 22:00:08

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

S6j2cSlNrnSfHejdEIgTmNTkB_4 1 dedi

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#41 2013-09-19 22:43:32

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

xkayakx wrote:

S6j2cSlNrnSfHejdEIgTmNTkB_4 1 dedi

And on a bunch more tracks too. Banned and all deleted, thanks.

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#42 2013-11-10 19:44:44

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

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#43 2013-11-10 21:54:06

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

tm2:7alvin wrote:

http://dedimania.net/tm2stats/?do=stat&Envir=Canyon&RecOrder3=REC-ASC&UId=9FRMketGZWeSt6Y9p471MP4mMp6&Show=RECORDS Dedi 1 here

Your report lacks "a brief and verifiable description of why you think the record(s) is/are strange or suspect." See the reporting rules.

I don't see a problem in the ghost replay, and an invalid validation replay alone is not very convincing, considering the problems with the validation process.

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#44 2013-11-10 23:25:20

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

Hi there,

just saw the Ghost Replay above and it seems that the car doesn't drift at all in the dirt and behaves like it is on the road. Quit impossible to drive that angle without drifting on dirt.

Greets.

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#45 2013-11-11 14:46:57

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

If you compare the MX records here: http://tm.mania-exchange.com/tracks/219 … d-mini-128 you'll see that he used speedhacks or something on the long straight jumps and the 1st dedi is the same as the 1st on MX here, so obviously a cheater for me.

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#46 2013-11-11 18:28:43

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

tm2:7alvin wrote:

If you compare the MX records here: http://tm.mania-exchange.com/tracks/219 … d-mini-128 you'll see that he used speedhacks or something on the long straight jumps and the 1st dedi is the same as the 1st on MX here, so obviously a cheater for me.

I see the speedboost in the MX replay, but that's not my problem. I don't see it in the Dedi #1 replay.
Compared to the Dedi #3 ghost replay, there is no dirt thrown up nor drifting sounds in the long left bend in both, that happens only in the MX replays.

So I'm not yet convinced phil13hebert is something I need to deal with in Dedimania2.  Then again, the same login is a banned cheater in Dedimania1/TMF, and that could well be the same player, so feel free to report suspect entries on other tracks in Dedimania2 and I'll look again. Report only tracks for which a ghost replay by phil13hebert is available, and make those reports detailed enough.

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#47 2013-11-12 02:08:34

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

It is the simple NoGras/NoDirt hack from the known tm2 trainer so that gras and dirt will be handled like normal street, resulting a higher speed after that. Normally the rear of the vehicle pulls to one side and the vehicle begin to skid and drift, but in the cheated version of the replay it is a perfect fullspeed curve. It is not the thrown dirt that indicates that, it is the way the back of car keeps the track and of course the speed gained from that. For better comparison pls check the rear of the two cars of the dedi GR's on the dirt section.


Btw. same hack on this map(http://dedimania.net/tm2stats/?do=stat& … ;Limit=120), pls check the rear of the car on the last turn before the finish. It is fs no drift on dirt and again wrong VR.

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#48 2013-11-12 21:43:55

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

dedifan wrote:

It is the simple NoGras/NoDirt hack from the known tm2 trainer so that gras and dirt will be handled like normal street, resulting a higher speed after that. Normally the rear of the vehicle pulls to one side and the vehicle begin to skid and drift, but in the cheated version of the replay it is a perfect fullspeed curve. It is not the thrown dirt that indicates that, it is the way the back of car keeps the track and of course the speed gained from that. For better comparison pls check the rear of the two cars of the dedi GR's on the dirt section.

I see.

dedifan wrote:

Btw. same hack on this map(http://dedimania.net/tm2stats/?do=stat& … ow=RECORDS), pls check the rear of the car on the last turn before the finish. It is fs no drift on dirt and again wrong VR.

Ok, got a few more to check?

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#49 2013-11-15 02:19:14

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

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Ok, got a few more to check?

Sorry, couldn't find anymore, but i did not search exactly.
May be you can get some batch-file to check VR's of a given login and then look if the wrong VR has a GR? I don't know if Nadeo has some command line tool to check VR's?

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#50 2013-11-15 19:41:32

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

dedifan wrote:

May be you can get some batch-file to check VR's of a given login and then look if the wrong VR has a GR? I don't know if Nadeo has some command line tool to check VR's?

Tried a batch validation but it fails to process any replays without even one warning why. <shrug>
Nadeo has a validation server but never provided info on how it's set up.

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#51 2013-11-24 20:28:37

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

http://dedimania.net/tm2stats/?do=stat& … ow=RECORDS

Every times from Mars 2013 to recently were done when a Nadeo's update fucked up a bloc. The one with a boost and dirt around so now those times are impossible to do. It's the same with all the maps with this bloc, unfortunately. If you compare dedi #1 with the best times here: http://tm.mania-exchange.com/tracks/7423/snakebite you'll see what I mean.

I just want them to be deleted and not ban ofc there aren't cheaters, just to clean the fail of Nadeo, thanks.

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#52 2013-11-24 22:57:13

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Re: TM2 cheaters in Dedimania

tm2:7alvin wrote:

It's the same with all the maps with this bloc, unfortunately.

Then, for that reason, amongst others, I'm not going to touch any of them.

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