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#1 2019-04-27 14:11:33

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blacky_pwnage
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Cheat or legit?

Hi, first time here, I have been wondering for so long about a track I always played but couldn't figure out how dedi 1 got the time he did, being worse than all other 29's in the dedi, I know that means there is a cut but I still search for an explanation for this:

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS

https://united.tm-exchange.com/main.asp … 88350#auto

So the dedi 1 is 1 sec ahead, everything fine but if any of you tries the track, there has to be something wrong, the track can't be done backwards because there are jumps that disallow it to be driven backwards,

http://prntscr.com/nhkeek

I don't understand how theres something to improve between 1st and 2nd cp? The transition is the simplest, there is nothing to do better here, I seriously hope someone plays this track and finds something, if the record is still there it obviously means it isn't cheat, right? Then what is it? It's impossible to cut this in the first 20 secs tbh, even the whole track is impossible to be cut, is the record legit ?

Ty !

Edit: it seems dedi 28 has done the same, how come you improve like 0.30 out of nothing?

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#2 2019-04-28 11:44:14

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Re: Cheat or legit?

blacky_pwnage wrote:

Hi, first time here, I have been wondering for so long about a track I always played but couldn't figure out how dedi 1 got the time he did, being worse than all other 29's in the dedi, I know that means there is a cut but I still search for an explanation for this:

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS

https://united.tm-exchange.com/main.asp … 88350#auto

So the dedi 1 is 1 sec ahead, everything fine but if any of you tries the track, there has to be something wrong, the track can't be done backwards because there are jumps that disallow it to be driven backwards,

http://prntscr.com/nhkeek

I don't understand how theres something to improve between 1st and 2nd cp? The transition is the simplest, there is nothing to do better here, I seriously hope someone plays this track and finds something, if the record is still there it obviously means it isn't cheat, right? Then what is it? It's impossible to cut this in the first 20 secs tbh, even the whole track is impossible to be cut, is the record legit ?

Edit: it seems dedi 28 has done the same, how come you improve like 0.30 out of nothing?

#28 (login bbb6789) was definitely a cheater.

For the entries (mostly Rounds, some TA) by alexudalla during 2012-06, I think quite a lot are cheated too. And they were done together with the entries by batzelu26 from the same clan during that same month.

E.g. fKaGlWRih3KI3topo96NwitdyQ8, PQRs5RGPD2gidPl0KRewwRPu8xl, IDiC2TsEO1Q5Nugv_cpSrBCSMX9 for both, and a bunch more for alexudalla. What do you think?

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#3 2019-04-30 13:51:13

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Re: Cheat or legit?

Regarding fKaGlWRih3KI3topo96NwitdyQ8, the 1st sector of 7.95 by alexudalla and 8.00 by batzelu26 is already something not doable. I've tried to go overwall start and approach CP from behind and many other things and there's simply no chance of getting to it in such time.

Even if the latter sectors of batzelu26 might seem doable with a really insane run, since I compared it to my best CP's, that CP1 is just not possible in any way. I've spent ~1hr or so trying and never got it under 8.48 myself, which is driving the normal way, but then you'll never have a chance to have 2nd CP remotely close to 27.00 or lower.

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#4 2019-04-30 16:15:30

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Re: Cheat or legit?

tm2:vrbnjak wrote:

Regarding fKaGlWRih3KI3topo96NwitdyQ8, the 1st sector of 7.95 by alexudalla and 8.00 by batzelu26 is already something not doable. I've tried to go overwall start and approach CP from behind and many other things and there's simply no chance of getting to it in such time.

Even if the latter sectors of batzelu26 might seem doable with a really insane run, since I compared it to my best CP's, that CP1 is just not possible in any way. I've spent ~1hr or so trying and never got it under 8.48 myself, which is driving the normal way, but then you'll never have a chance to have 2nd CP remotely close to 27.00 or lower.

Thanks for chipping in. Did you have a chance to look at the other two tracks as well?

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#5 2019-04-30 18:40:00

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Re: Cheat or legit?

On it, chief.... Just as soon as my connection decides to cooperate. smile


Edit1:
PQRs5RGPD2gidPl0KRewwRPu8xl CP2-3 Their sectors are a bit out of place, tried a lot and couldn't get them, but more obvious CP3 - CP4 sector has no alternative ways or any form of trick to gain the amount of time they have, especially the one by batzelu26.

Edit2:
IDiC2TsEO1Q5Nugv_cpSrBCSMX9

https://i.imgur.com/ZThHC9U.jpg

We've found an alternative route at the end, for which mads happily provided the replay, since he's a lot better at dirt. But

On the image you can see that their 2nd sectors of 8.07 and 8.08, 5th sectors of 4.68 and 4.91, 7th of 6.86 by batzelu26 stand out quite a bit, without any form of alternative route whatsoever, while the rest seems moderately in place.

Hope this helps.

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#6 2019-05-01 11:32:49

Xymph
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Re: Cheat or legit?

tm2:vrbnjak wrote:

Hope this helps.

Yes it did. alexudalla cheated all his entries from 2012-06-29 through 2012-07-01 and his buddy batzelu26 joined on 2012-06-30. Banned and all deleted.

Thanks to both of you.

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