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#1 2010-11-29 16:45:05

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TMNF A02

There seem to be no records at this time, are you guy's sorting out all the double records by WilliamB? He has 5 in the top10 under his own name, god knows how much in other acounts. Great player but too much dedi's in a02 (and a09).

Thanx!

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#2 2010-11-29 20:28:51

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Re: TMNF A02

sgt__woknok wrote:

There seem to be no records at this time,

This makes no sense, what are you talking about?

sgt__woknok wrote:

are you guy's sorting out all the double records by WilliamB? He has 5 in the top10 under his own name, god knows how much in other acounts. Great player but too much dedi's in a02 (and a09).

How about including less opinion and more facts? wink  Such as the UIDs or TMStats links of the pertaining tracks, the game mode, and all pertaining logins (not nicknames).

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#3 2010-11-30 18:24:39

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Re: TMNF A02

Ok. My apologies for the subjectivity smile.
The Records are online again.
The UID is: JwKdDsOUh4L9_eYyRsdiA2o1fW1
Game mode: TAttack

what I mean by the double records is the following:
The guy with the #1 dedi (login: william_h_bonney) is the same guy as dedi #2 (login: marvin1978), dedi #5 (login: pornstar1) and dedi #22 (login: southafricaruletheworld)

dedi #3 (login: tigs10) dedi #6 (login: eightflopper) and dedi #7 (login: insa4nity) are higly questionable but unless there is a way to compare ip adresses there are no facts.


This player does the exact same thing on:
UID: TteOqSjrhVsdjZYAaLuGBWX2a4c
Game mode: TAttack

dedi #1 (login: william_h_bonney) is the same guy as dedi #2 (login: aomega), dedi #5 (login: yesitsmy2ndaccount) dedi #10 (login: marvin1978) and dedi #22 (login: southafricaruletheworld)

Here dedi #7 (login: eightflopper)  and dedi # 25 (login: tigs10) are the questionable ones.


Another player does this on:
UID: I7rI7jAga6C4tGAe5OTDoyLF2fh
Game mode: TAttack

#1 dedi (login: czarnywilk) is the same guy as dedi #2 (login: carlos_sainz2) and dedi #23 (login: 010101010101010)

In doubt, comparing nicknames might give you answers.

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#4 2010-11-30 20:55:02

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Re: TMNF A02

sgt__woknok wrote:

The Records are online again.

I don't think there were offline much, if at all, except during the nightly backup.

sgt__woknok wrote:

The UID is: JwKdDsOUh4L9_eYyRsdiA2o1fW1
Game mode: TAttack

what I mean by the double records is the following:
The guy with the #1 dedi (login: william_h_bonney) is the same guy as dedi #2 (login: marvin1978), dedi #5 (login: pornstar1) and dedi #22 (login: southafricaruletheworld)

dedi #3 (login: tigs10) dedi #6 (login: eightflopper) and dedi #7 (login: insa4nity) are higly questionable but unless there is a way to compare ip adresses there are no facts.

This player does the exact same thing on:
UID: TteOqSjrhVsdjZYAaLuGBWX2a4c
Game mode: TAttack

dedi #1 (login: william_h_bonney) is the same guy as dedi #2 (login: aomega), dedi #5 (login: yesitsmy2ndaccount) dedi #10 (login: marvin1978) and dedi #22 (login: southafricaruletheworld)

Here dedi #7 (login: eightflopper)  and dedi # 25 (login: tigs10) are the questionable ones.

Proof for the above assertions you seem certain about?
There is zero correlation between any of these logins on nicknames and nations.
Dedimania doesn't store IP addresses for privacy reasons, so no ability to compare those.

A general FYI: I do (ir)regularly scan the database for triplicate+ nicknames on tracks, but (as the word implies) only for three or more identical nicks.  There are too many tracks with mere duplicate nicks, and not enough spare hours in the day/week/month to keep checking for those.

sgt__woknok wrote:

Another player does this on:
UID: I7rI7jAga6C4tGAe5OTDoyLF2fh
Game mode: TAttack

#1 dedi (login: czarnywilk) is the same guy as dedi #2 (login: carlos_sainz2) and dedi #23 (login: 010101010101010)

In doubt, comparing nicknames might give you answers.

Yeah, these all correlate to "вιαсκшоιғ" in POL, so everything except his best rec deleted on all tracks where he had duplicates (there was one more login: umyjokno). Thanks for the heads-up.

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#5 2010-11-30 22:47:25

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Re: TMNF A02

xymph wrote:

sgt__woknok wrote:

The UID is: JwKdDsOUh4L9_eYyRsdiA2o1fW1
Game mode: TAttack

what I mean by the double records is the following:
The guy with the #1 dedi (login: william_h_bonney) is the same guy as dedi #2 (login: marvin1978), dedi #5 (login: pornstar1) and dedi #22 (login: southafricaruletheworld)

dedi #3 (login: tigs10) dedi #6 (login: eightflopper) and dedi #7 (login: insa4nity) are higly questionable but unless there is a way to compare ip adresses there are no facts.

This player does the exact same thing on:
UID: TteOqSjrhVsdjZYAaLuGBWX2a4c
Game mode: TAttack

dedi #1 (login: william_h_bonney) is the same guy as dedi #2 (login: aomega), dedi #5 (login: yesitsmy2ndaccount) dedi #10 (login: marvin1978) and dedi #22 (login: southafricaruletheworld)

Here dedi #7 (login: eightflopper)  and dedi # 25 (login: tigs10) are the questionable ones.

Proof for the above assertions you seem certain about?
There is zero correlation between any of these logins on nicknames and nations.
Dedimania doesn't store IP addresses for privacy reasons, so no ability to compare those.

A general FYI: I do (ir)regularly scan the database for triplicate+ nicknames on tracks, but (as the word implies) only for three or more identical nicks.  There are too many tracks with mere duplicate nicks, and not enough spare hours in the day/week/month to keep checking for those.

xymph wrote:

raymond09789 wrote:

Ok by this i say some Cheat records on nadeo i was there sometimes and i know names and somebody uses my name :S

On a13 15th dedi William B uses my name cause he think he is cool.
Same on a09 2nd dedi ,and b09 23th dedi also raydanho

Nicknames are irrelevant, using the same nick as someone else is not cheating.

William, dedi #1 (login: william_h_bonney apparently told Ray he uses (or used) his nickname on the #2 dedi (login: aomega) in a09:
UID: TteOqSjrhVsdjZYAaLuGBWX2a4c
Game mode: TAttack

He uses nickname William B in dedi #10 (login: marvin1978).
In dedi #22 he uses nickname aomega (login: southafricaruletheworld)



Back to a02:
The UID is: JwKdDsOUh4L9_eYyRsdiA2o1fW1
Game mode: TAttack

Here he uses William nicknames on dedi #1, #2 and #5.
In dedi #22 we find again aomega (login: southafricaruletheworld)
These i know absolute sure about, the others listed in my last post i'm pretty sure but i understand there's no proof.


Anther double one:
UID: K27AW3HYV47qqqXentunIoUERu8
Game mode: TAttack

dedi #5 (login: razer00) and dedi #13 (login: seiki00) is the same guy. I know for a fact, he's in my team ;-). The other one is a fun acount.



And there is another active cheater (login: razoor13004) on the next tracks:

TMU    razoor13004    Fuck-Cheat big_smile    1    00:17.73    TAttack    3    3/3    StadiumA3    Stadium    2010-11-30 17:04:32     1        
TMU    razoor13004    Fuck-Cheat big_smile    1    00:28.00    TAttack    3    3/3    A06-Obstacle    Stadium    2010-11-30 16:40:55     2        
TMU    razoor13004    Fuck-Cheat big_smile    1    00:07.19    TAttack    1    1/1    A10-Acrobatic    Stadium    2010-11-30 14:05:03     3        
TMU    razoor13004    Fuck-Cheat big_smile    1    00:14.50    TAttack    6    6/6    StarStadiumA1    Stadium    2010-11-30 13:46:11     4        
TMU    razoor13004    Fuck-Cheat big_smile    1    00:14.89    TAttack    6    6/6    StarStadiumA4    Stadium    2010-11-30 13:36:41     5        
TMU    razoor13004    Fuck-Cheat big_smile    1    00:21.88    TAttack    2    2/2    StadiumA1    Stadium    2010-11-30 13:27:12     6        
TMU    razoor13004    Fuck-Cheat big_smile    1    00:20.24    TAttack    2    2/2    StadiumA4    Stadium    2010-11-30 13:22:26     7        
TMU    razoor13004    Fuck-Cheat big_smile    1    00:18.28    TAttack    2    2/2    A12-Speed    Stadium    2010-11-30 13:12:57     8        
TMU    razoor13004    Fuck-Cheat big_smile    1    00:15.00    TAttack    2    2/2    StarStadiumA2    Stadium    2010-11-30 09:04:11     9        
TMU    razoor13004    Fuck-Cheat big_smile    17    00:20.38    TAttack    2    2/2    A14-Race    Stadium    2010-11-30 08:03:01     10        
TMU    razoor13004    Fuck-Cheat big_smile    29    00:18.60    TAttack    3    3/3    StarStadiumA3    Stadium    2010-11-30 13:17:42     11


Too much tracks for UID's ;-). Login is probably enough right? Thanx for your effort.

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#6 2010-11-30 23:43:14

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Re: TMNF A02

sgt__woknok wrote:

William, dedi #1 (login: william_h_bonney apparently told Ray he uses (or used) his nickname on the #2 dedi (login: aomega) in a09:
UID: TteOqSjrhVsdjZYAaLuGBWX2a4c
Game mode: TAttack

He uses nickname William B in dedi #10 (login: marvin1978).
In dedi #22 he uses nickname aomega (login: southafricaruletheworld)

Back to a02:
The UID is: JwKdDsOUh4L9_eYyRsdiA2o1fW1
Game mode: TAttack

Here he uses William nicknames on dedi #1, #2 and #5.
In dedi #22 we find again aomega (login: southafricaruletheworld)
These i know absolute sure about, the others listed in my last post i'm pretty sure but i understand there's no proof.

Hmm, I missed the 'aomega' login/nick match, but still not very strong correlations, since most of the nations are different too.

sgt__woknok wrote:

dedi #5 (login: razer00) and dedi #13 (login: seiki00) is the same guy. I know for a fact, he's in my team ;-). The other one is a fun acount.

Well, one has 200+ recs and the other 40, and the nicks aren't identical, so I'm not going to bother.

sgt__woknok wrote:

And there is another active cheater (login: razoor13004) on the next tracks:

I scan for these every day, so would have caught him tomorrow anyway. But deleted/banned now already. wink Thanks.

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#7 2011-01-06 01:04:06

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Re: TMNF A02

Right Guys

Number 1

I am not a cheater and never have been.

If i buy 2 accounts with real money why shouldnt i be able to race both accounts.

Number 2 - Has it ever occurred to you that someone is using my name (i also notice recs with my name that i have never made)

Number 3 - The reason i used to have other accounts was so that i could have fun without racers following me everywhere i went, sometimes it is nice to have peace and quiet.

Number 4 - The names of accounts you have named are NOT all mine

I also know many many players who use more than 5 accounts but no one ever mentions it. (Kanaweed for instance)

Now i dont care if people have more than 1 account if they have paid for it. It is there right to race where and how they choose, they paid money for these accounts and didnt drive for free like most people.

Now A02

Dedi 2 was when i was with a clan NRL from Brazil and i was teaching them how to race Nadeo maps, now i got a good time so sorry for that. (i think most people are angry because they cant get dedi now should i apologise cos i can race this map good)?

Dedi 6 is my Brothers account Hence the B<3B tag - i will get that changed to his name.

Dedi 1 - is my full proper account

So by all means if it makes you feel any better delete Dedi 2 and my brothers dedi 6.

Now people think i have many accounts and that is crap. 2 years ago i raced more accounts because i wanted peace and quiet, now that is a looong time ago. I now race just 1 account and that is it period!

Now for A09

Dedi 2 as the name suggests was an accident - logged in wrong account and set a good time when drunk so you may delete this no problem

Dedi 10 you may alo delete as it was again when i was with NRL teaching them Nadeo, an account that is no longer used

Now back to other things.

Seriously guys how many of the top 10 - 20 dedi times do you ACTUALLY think are driven by the players themselves??

I know of many clans where 1 driver drives all the times in dedi and tmx for the team.

Also Sagres members have asked me to drive times for them to which i have refused.

Now if you are naive enough to think that people always drive there own accounts then DUH.

When i have Lan parties friends from Trackmania come over and play together and after a few beers they play other peoples accs for fun.

So if you wish to contact me please do  - eightflopper@yahoo.co.uk


regards

William B

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#8 2011-01-06 01:25:42

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Re: TMNF A02

I agree with will.B. Besides the game, forum dedimania & tmx page, no information (rules) that multiaccount is prohibited and will be punished.

So on what basis deletes records?
Where a player has to know what can and what not?

I am not interested deleted records, but your actions that in other situations (real life) are not acceptable.

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#9 2011-01-06 01:30:38

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Re: TMNF A02

Also one thing i forgot to mention is that i once set up an account because a power hungry admin noob on a server called me a cheat for getting a good time so i wanted to get back in to ask him why he banned me.

I then had to show him my TMX time to prove that my times where genuine but he still banned me because i was faster than him.

Last edited by william_h_bonney (2011-01-06 01:31:35)

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#10 2011-01-06 22:01:00

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Re: TMNF A02

william_h_bonney wrote:

I am not a cheater and never have been.

Didn't think you were.

william_h_bonney wrote:

Now A02

Dedi 2 was when i was with a clan NRL from Brazil and i was teaching them how to race Nadeo maps, now i got a good time so sorry for that. (i think most people are angry because they cant get dedi now should i apologise cos i can race this map good)?
[...]
So by all means if it makes you feel any better delete Dedi 2 and my brothers dedi 6.

I didn't, and still don't. It's just housekeeping, I don't particularly feel good or bad about it.

william_h_bonney wrote:

Now for A09

Dedi 2 as the name suggests was an accident - logged in wrong account and set a good time when drunk so you may delete this no problem

Dedi 10 you may alo delete as it was again when i was with NRL teaching them Nadeo, an account that is no longer used

Okay, #2 deleted. What about the other 13 records by aomega?
And given your explanation of the NRL training account, I'm inclined to delete all 5 records by marvin1978, okay?

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#11 2011-01-06 23:06:36

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Re: TMNF A02

Sure marvin no problem

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#12 2011-01-06 23:10:33

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Re: TMNF A02

Also the quote "if it makes you feel any better" was directed at Woknok and not yourself fella smile

Personally i think you do a damn good job and have loads of respect for anyone that takes time out to improve our trackmania experience.

Kind Regards

will

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#13 2011-01-06 23:29:20

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Re: TMNF A02

william_h_bonney wrote:

Sure marvin no problem

Ok, marvin1978 recs deleted. And what about aomega?

william_h_bonney wrote:

Also the quote "if it makes you feel any better" was directed at Woknok and not yourself fella

He doesn't have the ability to delete Dedi recs, so I didn't think it would/could be directed at him. wink

william_h_bonney wrote:

Personally i think you do a damn good job and have loads of respect for anyone that takes time out to improve our trackmania experience.

Thanks.

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