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e-thug wrote:

Track name: Very_short_69
author: Hazaart

Please provide UIDs (or TMX IDs), track names take me more time to find and are often too generic. And in this case incorrect too, as you appear to be talking about this track, which has no underscores in its name.

e-thug wrote:

Can clean the dedilist? We don't know which are cheaters and who not.. thanks!

It seems to me anything below 11.80 is impossible. Three entries were lower, which led to two cheaters (one ban due to repeat offenses), and I deleted the remaining suspect one too.
Thanks for the report.

e-thug wrote:

Track name: Very Short *187*
Author: .dodo.

See above.

e-thug wrote:

Delete the cheater here too please

That doesn't look like a cheated entry, probably just a misplaced one from another track. Deleted.

bode_leon wrote:

The first dedi on this track is cheated...

And the track on tmx... http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … id=4161100

Whats with this post?

And alreaady the next one, the time of the first dedi is simply not possible: http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS

And the track on tmx: http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … id=3160629

Last edited by bode_leon (2011-08-18 20:58:16)

e-thug wrote:

TMX id: 2072032

UID 7cRqijCVlnNBKFXoEPKbymmXEC8

e-thug wrote:

first dedi cheater

Dunno, the second sector seems unlikely, but not necessarily cheated, nor are any of thepunisir's other recs. Perhaps he got extremely lucky crossing the wall.

Oh nevermiind I know it thats Very short *stop* I think its a dedibug cus that time is no anywhere possible.. a perfect wall cut is maybe 9.0x not 8.6x..

e-thug wrote:

TMX ID: 891208
This first is cheater

UID Ftw6I0XBOTj64oq68h12Mx2M8vd
Yep, looks like a one-timer. Processed accordingly, thanks.

e-thug wrote:

Oh nevermiind I know it thats Very short *stop* I think its a dedibug cus that time is no anywhere possible.. a perfect wall cut is maybe 9.0x not 8.6x..

Hmmm, ok, deleted with no further consequences.

hi again,

xymph do you believe this time? (5,57)

SdtmSrtxPCc0omg6ukZ3fBi28yf

there is replay also on tmx, but never seen something like that

http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … id=4207820

thanks for taking your time, regards, glasi

edit: of course no dedi saved, forgot that

Last edited by glasi66 (2011-08-21 00:42:33)

bode_leon wrote:

bode_leon wrote:

The first dedi on this track is cheated...

And the track on tmx... http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … id=4161100

Whats with this post?

And alreaady the next one, the time of the first dedi is simply not possible: http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS

And the track on tmx: http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … id=3160629

Ok, this is the third time I post this, is there any reason why you ignore me? Should I add some additional information?

hi,

sorry kann nicht so gut englisch^^
hier eine cheat map :
ID: gShmwwrTI5sYyXTEVe3rAOyMl_l

2. dedi ist auch grenzwertig....10.92?? hmmmm

aber 10.98-11.03 ist die mögliche zeit die man fahren kann.

10.74 ist definitiv cheat. login : dropsi.

bitte löschen. gleiches recht für alle ^^

grüsse

devil-93 wrote:

sorry kann nicht so gut englisch

I can read German but always reply in English.

devil-93 wrote:

hier eine cheat map :
ID: gShmwwrTI5sYyXTEVe3rAOyMl_l

2. dedi ist auch grenzwertig....10.92?? hmmmm

aber 10.98-11.03 ist die mögliche zeit die man fahren kann.

10.74 ist definitiv cheat. login : dropsi.

I once deleted another record by dropsi, which turned out to be legitimate, and he is reportedly a very skilled player (267 #1's among 1980 Dedi records). As is rus_mischa with 861 #1's among 5380+ recs.

While I agree that 10.74 seems impossible, I'm inclined to give dropsi the benefit for the doubt for now.

boerta87 or sick_castrator, if you're reading this, can you comment, or produce a replay, or have dropsi come in here to explain?

Hello

devil-93 wrote:

hier eine cheat map :
ID: gShmwwrTI5sYyXTEVe3rAOyMl_l

2. dedi ist auch grenzwertig....10.92?? hmmmm

aber 10.98-11.03 ist die mögliche zeit die man fahren kann.

10.74 ist definitiv cheat. login : dropsi.

Well, I played for a few minutes on a public server (because I can't find it on TMX) and prima facie, there aren't any cuts or spots for a certain trick. Maybe I missed something else...

Suspect entries found :

Login "paok_1924_pame" :
Suspect time on xaiSlP_W6I3MHxEFgCdY_Or1gf2 (7.14, others are 8.xx)
Suspect CP time on cAWchNHTlj3wiQGRQV5KntAHIQj
(7.47, others are 7.9x-7.8x)

Logins "flameacc" and "flameacc1" (probably belong to the same person) have 14+12 suspect entries, examples :
Time too far from #3 on DekTa1SOI5PzkSuKMojfSTN9SYd (#2 is flameacc1)
Same on H0QpQnz2SIIT5nlEtMOIrj8mGp6
Same on q7LsqNaD60DtsdF93ecassUa8Hj
etc

Login "crank-master" : possibly "forceair"s new login, I'll keep an eye on him.

hi nochmal^^

rus_ misch und dropsi  sind admin auf dem boerta1 server

sehr sehr suspect.....

bode_leon wrote:

Thats interesting... I know dropsi and also rus_misch... they are both very good players... maybe I'm able to get a replay..

Ja ich auch^^ ...aber von diesem domol1122 waren auch keine replay´s...und man hat auch anderen die recs gelöscht..wie gesagt gleiches recht für alle..cheat ist cheat  und sollte auf blacklist. das ist nur fair gegeüber den anderen....

devil-93 wrote:

Im Namen vieler ehrlicher fahrer, sind diese zeiten gecheatet !!!!  Ich habe mir mal das forum mal durchgelesen, englisch verstehe ich ja^^, dann sei fair und lösche diese acc´s. Es ist egal, ob einer 10,100 oder 1000  1. dedis hat, cheat ist cheat ! Von Domol1122 habt ihr ja auch alles gelöscht, was auch richtig war, also sollen diese user´s auch auf der blackliste stehen. Ich denke rus_mischa und dropsi ^^arbeiten^^ zusammen.....

devil-93 wrote:

Ja ich auch^^ ...aber von diesem domol1122 waren auch keine replay´s...und man hat auch anderen die recs gelöscht..wie gesagt gleiches recht für alle..cheat ist cheat  und sollte auf blacklist. das ist nur fair gegeüber den anderen....

All your talk about 'honest players' and 'fair' isn't helping. In fact it's annoying, as it suggests I am not doing my best to pass fair judgment on (possibly) cheated records and cheaters. Given how many hours I spend each week on assessing them, your talk could even be taken as offensive, but I presume you don't mean it that way. The assessments are fair and based upon sufficient evidence, not anyone's opinion.

I agree with kaplovh's and your view that those two times on gShmwwrTI5sYyXTEVe3rAOyMl_l are (near) impossible, but that doesn't mean they had to be cheated. The Dedimania system isn't perfect, records very occasionally get misplaced, so nobody gets banned/blacklisted based on one entry that doesn't even have an intermediate checkpoint. That's only... fair.

What would help to determine whether dropsi and rus_mischa are cheaters is if you can find other suspect/impossible times by them. If not, then I'd consider those entries on gShmwwrTI5sYyXTEVe3rAOyMl_l glitches with no further consequences.

bode_leon wrote:

Thats interesting... I know dropsi and also rus_misch... they are both very good players... maybe I'm able to get a replay..

That would indeed be helpful, and it's the reason I called upon boerta87 and sick_castrator, because they claimed in the other topic to know dropsi as well.