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#1535 2020-04-12 20:32:02

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

radpl wrote:

@Xymph: I can't guarantee that since it wasn't my server and I haven't been the one modifying the track, though I have never seen any league maps with switched cars being played elsewhere. If I had to guess, it's been played on one of the polish servers and somebody has been messing with TMInfinity/TMUnlimiter to switch those cars and most likely those tracks haven't gone out elsewhere.

I'd say you can safely delete all the records from the track that were driven on that exact date (2011-01-10) and the rest should be fine. Like djcomixxx mentioned, the track has a legal shortcut as well, so the times that do not match the default way cp times but are somehow "weird" should be just driven using shortcuts. At least those you mentioned are.

You can use the TMX times for comparision: https://united.tm-exchange.com/main.asp … 12518#auto, neko's and hyp's top1 and top2 are driven with a shortcut (same times that were recorded in dedimania), and some of the 46s or the slower times have been driven without a shortcut.

Ok, rounds entries from 2011-01-10 19:06:11 deleted, thanks.

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#1536 2020-04-13 01:21:28

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

son-inparkos
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impossible time

his only first but maybe the others are cheated aswell

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#1537 2020-04-13 04:20:30

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

UID  : rh_lyWCchqwptxsJLwXudCmgWBf
login : blackpro711

Very hard cut, and definitely wouldn't be faster on such a short map.

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#1538 2020-04-13 10:10:37

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

yoy0 wrote:

son-inparkos
Ind1dVp6NDzojkM8kYHrLjAMQB6

impossible time

his only first but maybe the others are cheated aswell

Nothing else jumped out. Housekeeping performed, thanks.

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#1539 2020-04-13 10:13:38

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

adrigav wrote:

UID  : rh_lyWCchqwptxsJLwXudCmgWBf
login : blackpro711

Very hard cut, and definitely wouldn't be faster on such a short map.

Housekeeping performed, thanks.

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#1540 2020-05-16 13:24:50

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

A newbie "dusting1998", make a WR (that was already very good with -0''40 on the top 2) in just 3min, and has left after making the top 1 on this map http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ;Limit=100

See CP here pls  https://www.cjoint.com/c/JEqlw6gXV1e

CP are pretty impossible, and he lost like 1sec on last 2 turns.. that's very suspect:)

Btw "belial." is 2x in dedimania on the map [top 3 and top 21], if you can clean that too

THX !

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#1541 2020-05-16 14:07:18

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

namm1 wrote:

A newbie "dusting1998", make a WR (that was already very good with -0''40 on the top 2) in just 3min, and has left after making the top 1 on this map http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ;Limit=100

Found a bunch more on other tracks. Banned and all deleted, thanks.

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#1542 2020-05-19 00:47:10

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Uid: SN5zjnG_Pm4M326thEw2VWogmt8
login: dkab

Player with less than 30 dedis (all of them in the last two months) with a record almost a second faster than the others. Weird cp times compared to everyone else, and the part from last cp to the finish is 0.3s faster than dedi 2 even if it's a 3 seconds segment with just a single turn.
This is the map on TMX: https://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main … 90966#auto

This is just an example, basically all of the dedi1 from this user are around half a second faster than the second place with the first CPs being quite slow compared to the other dedis.


Uid: imlcdixxitzIcKTPkxoGI1ys5hm
login: halaycekentosbaa

Dedi1 is the only record from this user, dedi2 is from the user I talked before, times are respectively over 1s and half a second faster than anyone else. Once again CP times are weird for both users.

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#1543 2020-05-19 09:57:05

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

pro_94_ wrote:

Uid: SN5zjnG_Pm4M326thEw2VWogmt8
login: dkab

Banned and all deleted.

pro_94_ wrote:

Uid: imlcdixxitzIcKTPkxoGI1ys5hm
login: halaycekentosbaa

Housekeeping performed, thanks.

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#1544 2020-05-23 13:16:18

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Login: number90racer
Uid: z86lhyZevKLpiK47HpqIPKh3lOd

Login: dexcell
Uid: z86lhyZevKLpiK47HpqIPKh3lOd

Both players have less than 30 dedis in total, around 1/4 of them are dedi1, all but a few ones were set during the last three months. The Uids are related to this map: https://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main … 89770#auto

I took this map since both drivers have a record here (dedi1 and dedi5 respectively). The following image shows how cp2 times of those two dedis are significantly faster than everyone else despite being a linear fullspeed map without any other alternative routes.

https://imgur.com/a/LsmQydk
Generated from: http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD



A dedi1 example from the second driver is:
Login: dexcell
Uid: H7_Hoh2YDewkyTXHmeUKVyu94I0

With a record 0.29 faster than dedi2 (which is bigger than the range from dedi2 to dedi30) and cp3 is the only one below 30 seconds (29.73); here's the map: https://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main … 89741#auto

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#1545 2020-05-23 14:42:03

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

pro_94_ wrote:

Login: number90racer
Uid: z86lhyZevKLpiK47HpqIPKh3lOd

Login: dexcell
Uid: z86lhyZevKLpiK47HpqIPKh3lOd

Both had more cheated entries - both banned and all deleted, thanks.

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#1546 2020-06-06 11:16:36

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

A guy come and just after 3min made the top 4 and just left after that, exactly like "dusting1998" did, and coming also from Norway, probably with a second account called "doggystyle111", he surely made a cheat on a no cut map: https://www.cjoint.com/c/JFgjpzGFzRe, on this map http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … p;Limit=20

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#1547 2020-06-06 12:06:08

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Just to share a point of view about the ideology of "all deleted", In a state of Law the notion of PROPORTIONNALITY is a very important principle. Here you should NOT delete all rec, only if the player make it very often (and not if he cheat one or 2x) I think you shoud write to the player and ask him to self say which rec were cheated, and if you found other that those, then delete all rec, but not befor.  Hope you will consider my comment seriously, thx

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#1548 2020-06-06 21:09:16

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Some games permanently delete your account for cheating. Regardless if to a certain point you were a fair player. Similar rules apply on speedrun leaderboards where all records of cheaters got removed, if they continued to post cheated times.

Also, same thing happened to Todd Rogers with his Guinness Worldrecord in Dragster, where one or a few of his records were found cheated, which resulted in him having all of his existing records stripped away from him.

namm1 wrote:

Here you should NOT delete all rec, only if the player make it very often (and not if he cheat one or 2x)

The lesson here is clear, don't be an idiot and result to cheating. If the creators of Dedimania decided that a repeated offense results in ban and all records deleted, that's what's gonna happen.

You can still play the game normally, even with all of your records removed after all...

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#1549 2020-06-06 21:37:18

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

namm1 wrote:

A guy come and just after 3min made the top 4 and just left after that, exactly like "dusting1998" did, and coming also from Norway, probably with a second account called "doggystyle111", he surely made a cheat on a no cut map: https://www.cjoint.com/c/JFgjpzGFzRe, on this map http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … p;Limit=20

And on a bunch of other tracks too. Banned and all deleted, thanks.

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#1550 2020-06-06 21:44:33

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

namm1 wrote:

Just to share a point of view about the ideology of "all deleted", In a state of Law the notion of PROPORTIONALITY is a very important principle. Here you should NOT delete all rec, only if the player make it very often (and not if he cheat one or 2x) I think you shoud write to the player and ask him to self say which rec were cheated, and if you found other that those, then delete all rec, but not befor.  Hope you will consider my comment seriously, thx

vrbnjak raises fair points. And deletions have always been proportional: if a login cheated a few times and has a few hundred entries, only a portion of those were deleted, e.g. all top-10, -15 or -20 ones, leaving only the lower recs. But if a login cheated a few dozen times or has only a few dozen entries, everything goes down the drain.

Contacting a cheater proactively has got to be one of more silly proposals in years though. How much time do you think this already takes?? roll

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#1551 2020-06-07 11:29:07

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

xymph wrote:

And deletions have always been proportional: if a login cheated a few times and has a few hundred entries, only a portion of those were deleted, e.g. all top-10, -15 or -20

I think proportionality would be here to delete all rec. from a certain date, but I understand this is time costy and probably not realitic to ask you such a task..

xymph wrote:

Contacting a cheater proactively has got to be one of more silly proposals in years though. How much time do you think this already takes?? roll

Well, if a cheater say he cheated since november 2019 then you could create a command to delete all rec since, but i understand what you mean. And you could say him, if you lie to me all your rec would be deleted.. that's only a proposal from me, thx for your answer anyway

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#1552 2020-06-07 12:15:22

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Reedited, the cheater will be denounced later..
maybe in one month, otherwise he will create dozen of different nicks and that would be a nightmare to run after him, then he will lose all his work, that would make him think of the useless of what he is making

I think nadeo or you must fix a minimum of 15k Ladder points to have access to dedimania board, otherwise this guy will ruine TM at him alone smile (by creating pleinty of new nick that I wont reconise) !!!!

The guy create 3 new differents account, after beeing banned..

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#1553 2020-06-07 12:37:25

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Reedited

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#1554 2020-06-07 17:07:00

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Hello, someone hacked into my Trackmania account today and hacked on A12-Speed, yes, the Nadeo track. My password was strong enough, 10 characters (maximum you can have in TM), both capital and normal letters and also numbers. I don't know how I could prove it and if you can obtain any proof, but if I get dedibanned I'll quit TM. My previous dedi there was 13.14 from 2018-05-22 which I also uploaded to Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYCsdUsJfvQ

Edit: Can you restore that time too?

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#1555 2020-06-07 19:23:03

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

ronney.czech wrote:

Hello, someone hacked into my Trackmania account today and hacked on A12-Speed, yes, the Nadeo track. My password was strong enough, 10 characters (maximum you can have in TM), both capital and normal letters and also numbers. I don't know how I could prove it and if you can obtain any proof, but if I get dedibanned I'll quit TM. My previous dedi there was 13.14 from 2018-05-22 which I also uploaded to Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYCsdUsJfvQ

Edit: Can you restore that time too?

Done, thanks for the heads-up.

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#1556 2020-06-08 10:16:56

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Well, this cheater was ban from a server, then he wont use his account, then we can ban his account, I guess

namm1 wrote:

A guy come and just after 3min made the top 4 and just left after that, exactly like "dusting1998" did, and coming also from Norway, probably with a second account called "doggystyle111", he surely made a cheat on a no cut map

Now he takes a new nick "karjenv2" and made a new cheat https://www.cjoint.com/c/JFhkjWLgnle, an IP ban from dedi would be very useful http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … p;Limit=20
Now again, with fatti4dfjdq, I was specing him cheating, that was obvious, I have recorded the session here https://www.cjoint.com/c/JFhkLofnXie.
Now again, with proninja234, I was specing him cheating, that was obvious, I have recorded the session here https://www.cjoint.com/c/JFiiqWruiHe.

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#1557 2020-06-08 14:08:21

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

namm1 wrote:

Now he takes a new nick "karjenv2" and made a new cheat https://www.cjoint.com/c/JFhkjWLgnle, an IP ban from dedi would be very useful http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … p;Limit=20
Now again, with fatti4dfjdq, I was specing him cheating, that was obvious, I have recorded the session here https://www.cjoint.com/c/JFhkLofnXie.

Both banned and all entries deleted.

namm1 wrote:

Now again, with proninja234, I was specing him cheating, that was obvious, I have recorded the session here https://www.cjoint.com/c/JFiiqWruiHe.

Housekeeping performed, thanks.

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#1558 2020-07-06 14:35:30

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

The Top 1, with a stupid nick "coco_l'astico" won 0''39 in 5.5 sec https://www.cjoint.com/c/JGgmCmNmjKQ against the Top 1 (now top 2), seems obviously a cheat, it is his single dedi http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … mp;Limit=1

thx to fix that pls

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#1559 2020-07-06 16:58:44

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

namm1 wrote:

The Top 1, with a stupid nick "coco_l'astico" won 0''39 in 5.5 sec https://www.cjoint.com/c/JGgmCmNmjKQ against the Top 1 (now top 2), seems obviously a cheat, it is his single dedi http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … mp;Limit=1

Yup, and another entry on a later day too. Banned and all deleted, thanks.

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#1560 2020-07-07 20:12:14

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Login:lorbiiiii

Track: nU7ihuMYxIuBunnspuueM1q6nwc

Track: IPmyvgQl0v4dY9NmQcKzYL__vUm

Both of them looks like multilaps cut, but  theres no way to go at point from where u can do this cut, i wouldnt put it here if ppls who play with me on serv(oldschool guys) tell me that this guy was already catch with cheats and banned  back in 2015.

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