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#1587 2020-09-07 03:50:51

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

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#1588 2020-09-07 12:26:56

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

szczykus wrote:

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&Login=bella665&Uid=kzCs9bGWY1hfnXzZnbp7yugNk30&Show=RECORD

login:bella665

impossible time

Yup, and (at least) 3 more. Banned and all deleted, thanks.

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#1589 2020-09-07 17:32:26

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

xymph wrote:

namm1 wrote:

Problem: the top 1 has 1''34 in advance after 6 secondes of racing against very serious players, and there is no possible explanation, you can check yourself with the map.
PLAYER:nogometvlado
MAP:https://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main.aspx?action=trackshow&id=7083400#auto
MAP ON dedi: http://www.dedimania.com/tmstats/?do=st … oE_GN9xg6q

With a multilap start, all bets are off as far as I'm concerned.

I put the picture of the finish and the start https://www.cjoint.com/c/JIhpFbEF6tQ https://www.cjoint.com/c/JIhoMJpOwoQ, just to show how this "trick is absurde and not fair", it'is not really cutting, which is simply the shortest way to finish a map, and not even like a true multilap like a nascar map, here it is not made this way.. so i try a last time to ask u to delete this very unfair trick, which is really absurde..
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#1590 2020-09-07 18:33:18

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

I've tried it for 5 minutes a few days ago and I've just barely missed jumping on the road part where the multilap block is. It's not that hard, just needs a bit of luck. As for how you get behind the multilap block... I'll let you figure that one out. smile

Maybe you see the trick as unfair, but it's a trick and anyone can do it with a bit of luck and practice, so there's nothing wrong with using it.

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#1591 2020-09-07 18:52:53

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

I disagree, this map is not supposed to be a nascar, but a normal map, so tricking it like that is really unfair.

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#1592 2020-09-07 19:15:21

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

I'm still not sure why you are here right now... cuts aren't forbidden on dedimania and that's how it is and always has been. No exceptions.

You can try, but you won't really get any sympathy if you're insisting #1 should be deleted because he drove an alternative route.

I suggest you re-read the first post in this thread regarding reporting rules, especially #4. wink

Edit: I've tried it again and while trying it noticed another alternative way... I guess the map is just badly built.

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#1593 2020-09-15 19:37:00

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Player:fattisdfdsfdsf           (alway this dusting)
MAP: http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … p;Limit=10
Stranges CPS: https://www.cjoint.com/c/JIprHHevcyQ
Prove: (bad driving, NT) https://www.cjoint.com/c/JIprIpFDQ0Q

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#1594 2020-09-15 19:39:53

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Player: fatti2ewfewfwef  (top 2)        (alway this dusting)
MAP: http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … p;Limit=10
Stranges CPS at the end, the cut is not possible on with thoses cps: https://www.cjoint.com/c/JIprL2mTGOQ
thx

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#1595 2020-09-15 20:22:27

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

^^Both logins (and a third one, fattirwefw too) banned and all entries deleted, thanks.

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#1596 2020-09-25 16:45:48

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

MAP: https://www.cjoint.com/c/JIzoR6e0kQQ
MAP page : http://www.dedimania.com/tmstats/?do=st … ow=RECORDS
Explanation: strange CPS, cp seems not possible, The top 1 wins too much time vs pros on several cps.
thx

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#1597 2020-09-25 17:04:54

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

namm1 wrote:

MAP: https://www.cjoint.com/c/JIzoR6e0kQQ
MAP page : http://www.dedimania.com/tmstats/?do=st … ow=RECORDS
Explanation: strange CPS, cp seems not possible, The top 1 wins too much time vs pros on several cps.

And several more on preceding/following days. Banned and all deleted, thanks.

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#1598 2020-09-30 11:47:37

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Login: gekkegerrie328
UID: iLVC0rrLew1Xe8gmXsjPJjPi_0g

Impossible time with those sectors.

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#1599 2020-09-30 16:54:54

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Login: dkldfklj
UID: hXrqMG1geLkF_5ATJJNiBvPnnjf

Impossible time

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#1600 2020-09-30 18:08:10

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

zaphang wrote:

Login: dkldfklj
UID: hXrqMG1geLkF_5ATJJNiBvPnnjf

Impossible time

Housekeeping performed, thanks.

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#1601 2020-09-30 18:25:55

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

tm2:vrbnjak wrote:

Login: gekkegerrie328
UID: iLVC0rrLew1Xe8gmXsjPJjPi_0g

Impossible time with those sectors.

And a bunch more entries. Banned and all deleted, thanks.

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#1602 2020-10-08 18:50:14

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Login: dauerstoner
Dedis: http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ;Limit=100

His 1st dedi on this map has impossible CP times compared to other pro drivers. It's a new account with only 2 dedis on it so his other time might be suspicious too

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#1603 2020-10-08 23:22:16

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

mrpresident123 wrote:

Login: dauerstoner
Dedis: http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ;Limit=100

His 1st dedi on this map has impossible CP times compared to other pro drivers. It's a new account with only 2 dedis on it so his other time might be suspicious too

No, just the one. Housekeeping performed, thanks.

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#1604 2020-10-27 01:18:14

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Login: alloneindark
UID: zH7K7lsFTGt29bOHfYWqx6W4C0n

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#1605 2020-10-27 10:05:53

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

tm2:vrbnjak wrote:

Login: alloneindark
UID: zH7K7lsFTGt29bOHfYWqx6W4C0n

And the only other entry too. Housekeeping performed, thanks.

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#1606 2020-11-17 19:56:47

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

The second guy seems to have cheated, look at the cps, seems not possible with the map and cp gap
dedi: http://www.dedimania.com/tmstats/?do=st … mp;Limit=2

file:https://www.cjoint.com/c/JKrtaQSO2ZQ AND https://www.cjoint.com/c/JKrvsi8dyBQ (stranges cps)

and on this map:http://www.dedimania.com/tmstats/?do=stat&Mode=M0&RecOrder3=RANK-ASC&Uid=2RYf74Wj857S3toYUywHtbCvcA3&Show=RECORDS&Limit=2

Try with the map and compare the cps.

thx

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#1607 2020-11-17 23:23:04

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

namm1 wrote:

The second guy seems to have cheated, look at the cps, seems not possible with the map and cp gap
dedi: http://www.dedimania.com/tmstats/?do=st … mp;Limit=2

and on this map:http://www.dedimania.com/tmstats/?do=stat&Mode=M0&RecOrder3=RANK-ASC&Uid=2RYf74Wj857S3toYUywHtbCvcA3&Show=RECORDS&Limit=2

Right, and I found three more like that. (re)Banned and all deleted, thanks.

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#1608 2020-11-18 18:35:19

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

Login : lens.fluid32
UID : zjStrd7LLgoxX8SXZKmcOo3cA3a
Map file : https://gofile.io/d/K7U9Sh

Sector CP3/4 in 10.36 impossible
I can't make better than 10.63 in this sector after 2 hours played (only 1 turn), same for the dedi1 10.78.

Also this player has another account with a lot of cheated records :
Login : xxskullwarxx
UID : ZrBqx4p5IApZIb0K6NVIJ8_JYVm
Map file : https://gofile.io/d/oxx10Z

CP1 12.00 impossible, I made 12.65 with a perfect turn, 13 sec for most of the other records.

If you check both nicknames of xxskullwarxx on TM2 and lens.fluid32 on TM1, you can deduce it's the same player.

There are more records like that, it's not hard to detect when you compare with CP times of other dedimania records.
I'm a good players and I played these 2 maps with persistence to be sure at 100% that CPs are not legit.

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#1609 2020-11-19 11:54:01

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

ant0396 wrote:

Login : lens.fluid32
UID : zjStrd7LLgoxX8SXZKmcOo3cA3a
Map file : https://gofile.io/d/K7U9Sh

Sector CP3/4 in 10.36 impossible
I can't make better than 10.63 in this sector after 2 hours played (only 1 turn), same for the dedi1 10.78.

Also this player has another account with a lot of cheated records :
Login : xxskullwarxx
UID : ZrBqx4p5IApZIb0K6NVIJ8_JYVm
Map file : https://gofile.io/d/oxx10Z

CP1 12.00 impossible, I made 12.65 with a perfect turn, 13 sec for most of the other records.

Will look into these later.

ant0396 wrote:

If you check both nicknames of xxskullwarxx on TM2 and lens.fluid32 on TM1, you can deduce it's the same player.

Apart from the same clan tag, not really. Please explain.

ant0396 wrote:

There are more records like that, it's not hard to detect when you compare with CP times of other dedimania records.

Got more examples?

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#1610 2020-11-19 16:33:58

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

I did some video recording, it could help you maybe.

Map 1 : https://youtu.be/Y2Ob5Uzwgp4 & https://youtu.be/2I0znu85LY8 (sector CP3/4, speedhack around 0.3sec)
Map 2 : https://youtu.be/TMUuy2lG1Vo (CP 1, speedhack around 0.65sec)

I found another example.
Login : xxskullwarxx
UID : f5lJjPyOk6zAybmMDztAK0qTCU1
Map file : https://united.tm-exchange.com/main.asp … id=4297969
Video : https://youtu.be/g5IarkSHvKM (CP1, speedhack around 0.4sec)

I know it's multilaps and sometimes a faster start is possible but I checked and both CP1 are not possible.
If needed I can invite you on my server to see the gap sectors in live smile

I know it's the same guy, I see him changing his nickname every months.
His main name is Nezziak.
https://i.ibb.co/XWzXfJH/nezziak1.png
https://i.ibb.co/12LjNVW/nezziak2.png
If you check the Youtube or Twitch channel you will see that he plays with lens.fluid32's account.
Also if you can check the IP you will get a confirmation.

Last edited by ant0396 (2020-11-19 16:35:15)

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#1611 2020-11-22 15:35:47

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Re: Report strange & suspect TMF records here

I have no idea why videos of you playing would mean anything with respect to other players' entries. Btw, your login was also warned long ago.

I investiged xxskullwarxx on Thursday and found dozens of probably/certainly cheated entries. Banned and all deleted.

Having the same nick doesn't automatically imply entries from the other login are also cheated. Also, TA entries on multilap tracks are among the most time-consuming to investigate and determine to be cheated.

For lens.fluid32 this year, I found three suspect entries:
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS (sectors 2,3,4 and maybe 6,7)
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS (sectors 5,6)
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS (sectors 4,5,6 and maybe 7)

The #3 entry on zjStrd7LLgoxX8SXZKmcOo3cA3a was updated yesterday and doesn't look problematic (anymore).
IP addresses for players are not submitted to and stored on the Dedimania master server.

But lens.fluid32 also uploaded a validated replay for this track: https://united.tm-exchange.com/main.asp … id=3987879
So not every online #1 that's notable faster than other entries necessarily would be cheated too.

So far I haven't decided on any further action.

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